tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post3339718909895903347..comments2023-09-15T08:54:19.379-04:00Comments on New England Pastor: In Support of David AsscherickShawn Bracehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10603380405719498288noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-54713422665745709172009-12-11T01:41:16.373-05:002009-12-11T01:41:16.373-05:00David Asscherick is not trying to prove to you tha...David Asscherick is not trying to prove to you that you (evolutionists) are wrong. Time will prove it. But the problem is that we as SDA and as a Christians believe in CREATOR GOD WHO CREATED EVERYTHING. And we do not believe that because we can prove that or we should believe if we will be able to prove that. NO. We believe this because the BIBLE says so and we "we walk by faith, not by Yuriy Nesterukhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17493698069548049660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-37788025381333589382009-09-04T22:59:46.861-04:002009-09-04T22:59:46.861-04:00Olorin, It's taken me a while to read through ...Olorin, It's taken me a while to read through this thread, but I have especially enjoyed reading your posts. I have learned <b>a lot!</b> Thanks!John Turnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-62753295774130412382009-07-31T06:50:50.835-04:002009-07-31T06:50:50.835-04:00Alexis,
One of my favorite Bible Character is Dan...Alexis, <br />One of my favorite Bible Character is Daniel, and I guess that it fits right here. The meaning of Daniel's name is God is my Judge. Attacking happens can happen in any discussion and your right it should not happen. The truth is, one has to decide am I going to put my Faith in a God I cannot see, or in man. Both take faith. I just choose Christ who has never let me down, I can&#Micahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583447059340320763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-1661741282842249752009-07-31T06:49:03.399-04:002009-07-31T06:49:03.399-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Micahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583447059340320763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-67633628063945420232009-07-30T23:15:55.481-04:002009-07-30T23:15:55.481-04:00What a smackdown.
I find it interesting how, whe...What a smackdown. <br /><br />I find it interesting how, when the creationist arguments utterly fail, the subject changes to calling Olorin a nihilistic skeptic that does not take the bible literally or simply silence.<br /><br />Here is a summary of the comments here:<br /><br /><b>Creationist:</b> Evolution is not needed to create new medicines.<br /><b>Olorin:</b> Yes it is (gives multiple Brigshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15413144884615614085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-82330400631759243772009-07-26T14:55:37.001-04:002009-07-26T14:55:37.001-04:00Thanks, Olorin, for clarifying where you stand. Yo...Thanks, Olorin, for clarifying where you stand. Your statement--"none of the Gospel writers ever observed Jesus in person"--identifies you as a skeptic, not a believer. <br /><br />If you deny that Matthew, Peter, Luke, James, and John were eyewitnesses to the life, death, and post-Resurrection person of Jesus, then whatever faith you may have in who Jesus was and is, what He did, and guitarboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09065183644071013205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-20996019530344217342009-06-19T16:32:43.300-04:002009-06-19T16:32:43.300-04:00Here is that link again.<a href="http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/statements/main_stat55.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is that link again.Shawn Bracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603380405719498288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-53423995632498929182009-06-19T16:29:53.472-04:002009-06-19T16:29:53.472-04:00Anonymous, thank you for your thoughts. I did not ...Anonymous, thank you for your thoughts. I did not plan on offering anymore responses, but I would encourage you to go <a rel="nofollow">here</a> to see a supplement to the fundamental belief, voted by the Executive Committee of the General Conference in 2004. This is entitled a "Response to an Affirmation of Creation" and the first point states:<br /><br />"1. We strongly endorse Shawn Bracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603380405719498288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-80468738787475645802009-06-17T12:21:44.448-04:002009-06-17T12:21:44.448-04:00I am a life-long Adventist, currently employed by ...I am a life-long Adventist, currently employed by an Adventist entity. I am neither a theologian nor a scientist, but I am interested in this debate.<br /><br />A number of people have observed that this is simply a matter of integrity in employment. Does La Sierra University have the right to require its professors to teach in a matter compatible with the university’s Adventist mission? Yes, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-63726495676168634002009-06-16T10:49:08.839-04:002009-06-16T10:49:08.839-04:00I don't think any adventist will argue the bio...I don't think any adventist will argue the biologically proven principles of micro evolution. We all accept and believe that life was designed in order to adapt and survive. <br /><br />Every principle that has been mentioned in comments on this blog in support of evolution does not prove or disprove either theory as a whole. The real issue is evolution on a macro scale, which by its very Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01160650830513206098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-7793913026484965272009-06-10T21:55:37.250-04:002009-06-10T21:55:37.250-04:00HI
The argument has arrived to Europe. I am writ...HI <br /><br />The argument has arrived to Europe. I am writing from London and I am a recent mathematics graduate student. I personally think the whole situation is quite disturbing at LSU. Teaching theistic evolution as a true fact is a blatant dishonesty to the SDA values. THEISTIC EVOLUTION should NEVER be promoted in any SDA institutions whatsoever.<br /> <br />If these people, including theMarco Mesahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17211333927320175893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-71027423616739952832009-06-10T17:35:19.977-04:002009-06-10T17:35:19.977-04:00[3] Go to the web site of the American Scientific...[3] Go to the web site of the American Scientific Affiliation, a group of Christian scientists interested in this subject. <br /><br />[4] Evidence against certain aspects of evolutionary theory---or even against evolution in toto---are not evidence for creationism, of course. Logicians know this as the dichotomy fallacy.<br /><br />[5] No, I didn’t make that up. http://www.alaska.net/~clundOlorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-49540979674668606392009-06-10T17:34:49.053-04:002009-06-10T17:34:49.053-04:00Verily and forsooth. And I could claim that, beca...Verily and forsooth. And I could claim that, because we observe that micro-gravity can cause apples to fall, and even tall buildings to tumble occasionally, then macro-gravity can cause the Moon to “fall” toward the Earth---even though I cannot experience any such huge force myself. You may (or may not) remember that it was the towering insight of Newton that in fact micro- and macro-gravity Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-17571800785468823342009-06-10T17:33:43.823-04:002009-06-10T17:33:43.823-04:00Bye, Shawn. Thanks for putting up with me.
As ...Bye, Shawn. Thanks for putting up with me. <br /><br />As Phil Plaitt (Bad Astronomy blog) once said, “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into." Since 10% of Americans still believe that the Sun revolves around the Earth, it is not surprising that many do not accept evolution, and an even greater majority do not understand it. [1] Also, it is very Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-27526312458741869272009-06-09T22:04:09.928-04:002009-06-09T22:04:09.928-04:00Olorin, this will probably be my last comment, but...Olorin, this will probably be my last comment, but I just wanted to make something clear: there are plenty of biologists who accept intelligent design as a viable scientific theory over and against macroevolution.<br /><br />Secondly, your explanation about breeding broccoli, etc., just proves what I already knew to be true: you are taking an example of something guided by an intelligent person Shawn Bracehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10603380405719498288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-67317181077977598382009-06-09T21:52:43.707-04:002009-06-09T21:52:43.707-04:00Derrick (May 26), I did get an interlibrary loan o...Derrick (May 26), I did get an interlibrary loan of Eta Linnemann's "Historical Criticism of the Bible: Methodology of Ideology" and am about halfway through. If you're still around, I'll report when finished.Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-8203163179763916922009-06-09T13:13:18.078-04:002009-06-09T13:13:18.078-04:00Micah: "'they are closing the department ...Micah: "'they are closing the department cause the evidence is so strong towards evolution' It would be more logical to make sure they teach what they believe and not the opposite argument.<br /><br />No, you want them to teach what you believe, not what they (the professors) believe. That's the problem.<br /><br />You might also look into the case of Richard Colling, a biology Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-64017677041110085642009-06-09T07:52:14.163-04:002009-06-09T07:52:14.163-04:00Well that is a suggestion, but I think a better on...Well that is a suggestion, but I think a better one would be to teach what we believe instead of closing the departments. I mean it would not make since a school who belief system in creation closes doors on scientific departments ???? I can just hear it now 'they are closing the department cause the evidence is so strong towards evolution' It would be more logical to make sure they teachMicahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583447059340320763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-74815817995236414922009-06-07T23:21:39.711-04:002009-06-07T23:21:39.711-04:00Micah: "Olorin, you can argue what you believ...Micah: "Olorin, you can argue what you believe is truth until your blue in the face, but that doesn't change what the Adventist Church believes."<br /><br />You keep missing my point. I am suggesting a way out of the problem of the university asking a scientist to teach something that he knows is false. I am not asking you to change your beliefs.<br /><br />Anon: "The programOlorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-42563116715820190952009-06-07T22:04:29.989-04:002009-06-07T22:04:29.989-04:00Olorin, While I am glad you agree with me. The Sev...Olorin, While I am glad you agree with me. The Seventh Day Adventist Church should never let the state teach in our schools, that would then do away with the idea of private Education. In this case I am sorry but, it does not matter if you believe the belief of creationism as a 7 Day week is correct or not. It is still a belief of the Adventist Church and will be until the Coming of Christ. We asMicahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583447059340320763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-6995943931860988162009-06-07T18:11:01.873-04:002009-06-07T18:11:01.873-04:00Take a look at this Baptist University. It is not ...Take a look at this Baptist University. It is not compromising and is even adding a new degree in geology which they believe will be enhanced because they uphold to a literal six-day account of Genesis. They also require a Bible minor as part of all academic programs. Perhaps we can still learn from our Baptist friends. . .<br /><br />Cedarville University is home to 3,000 Christian students, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-49056249401995247212009-06-07T17:19:00.837-04:002009-06-07T17:19:00.837-04:00Micah: "To me creation vs evolution is not ev...Micah: "To me creation vs evolution is not even the real issue here sorry Derick and Olorin."<br /><br />Micah is correct. The issue is one of ethics. When a school asks a biology professor to teach something that he knows is false, then that professor has an integrity problem. As I noted earlier, the only solution seems to be to close those science departments where the science Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-47719427589274995312009-06-07T14:04:47.337-04:002009-06-07T14:04:47.337-04:00To me creation vs evolution is not even the real i...To me creation vs evolution is not even the real issue here sorry Derick and Olorin.<br /><br />Being a private university people choose to attend this college with the understanding they will be taught Adventist values. I think we would all agree that this is the product of living in the great country that we do. <br /><br />If you buy a product with a promise that was made by the manufacture Micahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583447059340320763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-44806247290965258082009-06-06T17:52:28.570-04:002009-06-06T17:52:28.570-04:00Please pardon the length of the answer above. I a...Please pardon the length of the answer above. I am retired, and so have the time. In retirement, I have become a teacher, so have the inclination.Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3601946653328882528.post-51194524474312290612009-06-06T17:50:34.702-04:002009-06-06T17:50:34.702-04:00Shawn: “So you're saying an intelligent person...Shawn: “So you're saying an intelligent person bred cabbage into broccoli, and this passes off as an example of an unguided, random evolutionary process? Can you help me understand?”<br /><br />My pleasure. Note the definition of the theory of evolution I gave earlier. It has three parts. Heritable variation is random. (In the sense that the variations are indifferent to fitness; Olorinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240133812210926831noreply@blogger.com